tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9093436161326155359.post7045020460349028901..comments2024-03-28T06:43:02.954+00:00Comments on Variable Variability: Will we be wiped out by machine overlords?Victor Venemahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02842816166712285801noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9093436161326155359.post-17969140741254807412017-08-03T02:15:20.693+01:002017-08-03T02:15:20.693+01:00Does it matter that the machine is made out of ste...Does it matter that the machine is made out of steel? I have not seen any tendency for the thames barrier to team up with the Maeslantkering storm surge barrier to rule the world.<br /><br />Also AlphaGo did not team up with a chess program to rule the world. Is that just because they are not intelligent enough? Or because they do not want to?<br /><br />In Switzerland they build a huge computer to simulate a few neurons. If they some day have enough computer power to model a complete human brain, that brain likely would not like people to turn the computer off. Then we are talking. But a computer that is just intelligent could not care less if we turn the computer off.Victor Venemahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02842816166712285801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9093436161326155359.post-68928537547802715192017-08-02T04:08:39.155+01:002017-08-02T04:08:39.155+01:00Victor: Maybe. But I basically see people and othe...Victor: Maybe. But I basically see people and other living organisms as machines made out of meat. Does it matter if the machine is made of silicon?<br /><br />For meat machines, reproduction is a more basic need than is domination of their environment. Or they'd cease to exist. So perhaps this is a need that is very, very deep down in our physiology and psychology, in the most rudimentary part of our brain/existence.<br /><br />Even viruses seek to reproduce. In fact, that's about ALL that viruses seek to do. And they have no brain. So where do their actions come from? What drives them? Just chemistry.<br /><br />So I don't have a real problem calling advanced AI a "species." It's not clear to me that "intelligence" at that level won't feel the need to reproduce, just as bacteria do. <br /><br />David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9093436161326155359.post-67395627244814678782017-08-02T02:52:17.564+01:002017-08-02T02:52:17.564+01:00An intelligent machine is not an intelligent speci...An intelligent machine is not an intelligent species, intelligent life. They did not evolve to survive and reproduce. Sometimes conflict will be unavoidable, but not sure if everyone wants to rule. Victor Venemahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02842816166712285801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9093436161326155359.post-37037750708405681642017-08-02T02:18:17.557+01:002017-08-02T02:18:17.557+01:00Interesting post.
My understanding of the AlphaGo...Interesting post.<br /><br />My understanding of the AlphaGo machine is that is not strictly computational -- that is, given a certain board position, it does not just look up what move it should do next -- there are too many possible board positions. Instead it analyzes the position and decides, on its own, what move is best, and it does this by using "knowledge" already acquired from earlier games. An article I recently read said experts considered some of its moves unexpected and "beautiful."<br /><br />Victor wrote:<br />"Just because machines are intelligent, does not mean they want to rule and even less that they would be evil."<br /><br />But is the first trait -- wanting to "rule" -- a sign of *all* intelligent life? Isn't it really the only rule of evolution? Don't almost all (or all?) "intelligent species" want to dominate their environment, in order to give the best chance for their offspring to survive and flourish? <br /><br />Evil is a nebulous term and, I think, and very subjective. So I'm going to pass on it.<br /><br />If man uses his "intelligence" to dominate others, as do chimps and dogs and ants and trees and viruses, why wouldn't a "more intelligent" "species" (AI) "think" about doing the same? Especially as we put them in more crucial positions, like managing electrical grids and the Internet and even military weaponry. Will it too want to survive, above all? <br /><br />In any case, a thoughtful post, Victor.David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9093436161326155359.post-35017549350354206112017-08-01T17:46:00.060+01:002017-08-01T17:46:00.060+01:00Initially likely only the elite can afford to buy ...<i>Initially likely only the elite can afford to buy more intelligence, but we would probably move quite quickly into a regime where everyone has such an add-on and intelligence just becomes normal and nearly worthless.</i><br /><br />I wouldn't go *that* far. Extra intelligence may not give you a leg up as compared to other people, but it will still make us more productive, both individually and collectively. Windchasershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11554275410734284781noreply@blogger.com